[Avodah] Kol, winemaking and besomim

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 07:00:58PM +0200, Arie Folger wrote:
: Who says yafeh means good in the beraita of qetoret? Perhaps it has
: that word's primary meaning, as in, it is fitting, beautiful to speak
: so while grinding it up?

The Qetores section of qorbanos is lifted from Y-mi Yuma 4:5, starting
right after the mishnah.

See also Menachos 87a and Kerisus 6b:
    de'amar R' Yochanan:
    kesheim shehadibur ra leyayin,
    kein hadibur yafeh lebesamim

In Kerisus it's pretty much like the Y-mi. In Menachos, the focus is
on why the gizaar in charge of making wine for nesachim doesn't give
instructions.

But getting back to the point... RAF, IIUC, you're suggesting R' Yochanan
is talking about what is proper to do while making qetores and not while
making wine. If so, why the "le-" preposition and the lack of mention
of any activity? The naive read of the words is that it's yafeh for the
besamim themselves, which would imply that the sound or CO2 aids the
spices (and harms wine during squeezing).

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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