[Avodah] Zimun - 2 women with 1 man - permitted?

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 11:34:24AM +0300, Danny Schoemann wrote:
:> But this presumes a mixed-gender zimun is a matter of reshus. I had asked,
:> in reply to the same post by RtSB that RDS is replying to, why this
:> would be. Given that men and women have an equal chiyuv in bentching,

: You may want to reassess that assertion. SA OC 186:1 states:
: "Women are obligated in Birkat Hamazon and it's a Safek if that's a
: Torah or a Rabbinic Chiyuv; the difference being if they can be Motzi
: somebody who has a Torah obligation to Bentsch. (See 199 for their
: obligation in Zimun)"

Thank you. This /does/ answer my question. And the SA says this is the
reason by pointing us from this machloqes to the siman on zimun.

To work in a tip... much of the SA is available for free. E.g. this
se'if is at http://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9F_%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9A_%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%97_%D7%97%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%A7%D7%A4%D7%95

which looks really long and evil until you go there and see that all
those %xy's encode the words "Shulchan Arukh Orach CHaiim QPV" , and
would be short and clean if my browser cut-n-paste Hebrew letters in
a URL.

Or just see http://bit.ly/jr4vSH .

I recently listed a number of exceptions to the mitzvos asei shehazman
gerama rule, most of them ones where the mitzvah isn't time-delimited
but women are still peturos. Is "after you eat" considered a zeman? I
find that hard to picture. Or, is it that according to those who hold
it's derabbanan, this is another item for my list?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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