[Avodah] Binfol oyivkha al tismach?

[Akiva Blum]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: avodah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org [mailto:avodah-
> bounces at lists.aishdas.org] On Behalf Of Micha Berger
> Sent: Wednesday 04 May 2011 12:06 AM


> 
> My conclusion as to how to resolve "binfol oyivkha" and "vesheim
> resha'im yirqav" is to simply take them both literally. To repeat
> what I wrote July 2007:
>     It would seem that from the medrash, through Shibolei haLeqet, the
>     Beis Yoseif, the Taz, the Kaf haChaim and in modern times to R' Aharon
>     Kotler, RSZA and a yeish omeir of R' Elyashiv, the message is to
>     rejoice in one's yeshu'ah even while feeling pain over the human cost
>     necessary to bring it about. Simply -- feel both, even though they
>     conflict.
> 

> 
> Well, presumably in connection to current events (archive readers:
> this was posted shortly after bin Laden y"sh's death) R' Shmuel Herzfeld
> posted the following translation of the Meshekh Chokhmah (Shemos 12:16,
> "hineih") on Kol haRav blog
> http://kolharav.blogspot.com/2011/05/r-meir-simcha-of-dvinsk-on-
> celebrating.html
> 
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>     But regarding the downfall of enemies there is no festival and
>     holiday for Israel.
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>     So too, with respect to the holiday of Purim: they did not make a
>     festival on the day that Haman died or on the day that they killed
>     their enemies, as this not a cause for rejoicing among His people
>     Israel. Instead, the holiday is only "on the days that they rested
>     from their enemies" (Esther 9:22). It is as though, they needed to
>     rest, and there were snakes on the path and the snakes were killed,
>     is it appropriate to rejoice on the day that the snakes were
>     killed? Their joy was from their relief.
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>     


> -----Original Message-----
> From: avodah-bounces at lists.aishdas.org [mailto:avodah-
> bounces at lists.aishdas.org] On Behalf Of Zev Sero
> Sent: Wednesday 04 May 2011 12:30 AM
> 
> And against this we have an explicit gemara that attributes this view
> to Haman Harasha, in a machlokes with Mordechai Hayehudi.  The same
> gemara also explicitly says "hu eino sas aval acheirim meisis".  That's
> a tough burden to overcome.



Perhaps the resolution is as I think the Meshech Chochma is actually saying.
One does, and should, rejoice at the relief and salvation from one's
enemies. However, it is a whole other thing to make a YT for future years on
the occasion of the downfall.
Hashem has no celebration at His destruction of His enemies - hu eino sas
aval acheirim meisis. Malachim have no part celebrating the destruction of
the Mitzriyim. But as Jews we say Hallel when it occurs. However future
generations cannot celebrate. Perhaps this is because the time itself has
not been formed into something joyous as there is also involved human
destruction, whereas at the time of the salvation, we celebrate our personal
feelings, which should be of gratitude. A YT marks an intrinsically joyous
time.

Akiva