[Avodah] Binfol oyivkha al tismach?

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, May 03, 2011 at 05:30:00PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
> And against this we have an explicit gemara that attributes this view
> to Haman Harasha, in a machlokes with Mordechai Hayehudi.  The same
> gemara also explicitly says "hu eino sas aval acheirim meisis".  That's
> a tough burden to overcome.

That's what Lisa Liel wrote at
<http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol17/v17n027.shtml#04>
in the thread <http://bit.ly/iiWJRC> (shrunk from
<http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/getindex.cgi?section=S#SPILLING%20OUT%20DROPS%20OF%20WINE%20AT%20THE%20SEDER>).

And, for that matter, I see RJFarkas paraphrases the Meshekh Chokhmah
in reply. Then he adds:
> The Yad L'Hakhmah [notes printed on the MH in the MH Hashaleim] quotes
> the Divrei Sha'ul [RYS Natanzon ZT"L] who asks on the Meshekh Hakhmah and
> on the aforementioned Yalqut from the Gemara in Megilah where Mordechai
> told Haman that Binfol Oyivkha was only for Yisrael, and replies that
> perhaps there is a difference between a Yisrael and a non-Yisrael, when
> it is an individual. Should it be a group, Binfol Oyivkha al Tismakh
> would still apply [this Teirutz is the Yad L'Hakhmah's -jf] .

And in another post he cites the Manos haLeivi (Esther 9:20, "vayikhtoc
Mordochai; 16th cent):
> He answers that we would not establish a Yom Tov on such a day, because
> ein HQBH Same'akh beMapalasan shel r'sha'im. And since he is not happy
> with their downfall, we too do not rejoice in this downfall. Rather we
> rejoice in our deliverance and on nothing else.

So, Bin Laden being neither Yisrael nor a group of nachriim, would
apparently not be within the Yad leChakhmah's parameters.

But my own bottom line is more abstract. Yes there is a problem, but the
Beis Yoseif, the Netziv, the Or Samayach, and everyone else mentioned
in support of the notion in previous threads saw that gemara. There are
various stabs at explaining how, but in any case there is obviously there
is more going on than it seems. One can't simply ignore the weight of
that many voices by understanding the gemara the way it seems from a
naive reading.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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