[Avodah] Heicher Kedusha and l'dor v'dor

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, May 02, 2011 at 09:10:35AM -0400, Rich, Joel wrote:
: Which IIRC I have heard was due to R'YBS's approach to the importance
: of tfilat Hatzibbur as well as tfilla btzibbur

The idea of saying the first 2 berakhos with the Chazan isn't specific
to RYBS or to R' Chaim's diyuq in the Rambam of a distinct concept of
tefillas hatzibur (THZ).

My father recalls RYBS saying one should only use this variant of hoiche
qedushah (HQ) because RYBS held that HQ was only mutar as a means to
squeeze in minchah before shaqi'ah. Therefore there shouldn't be a case
of saying HQ when you have aren't such a hurry that you can start
Shemoneh Estei after the Chazan.

As for stopping for Qedushah, if that's what RJR meant RYBS tied to
THZ... Briskers similarly pause after "Modim anachnu lakh"
to allow the tzibbur to say Modim deRabbanan without missing any of the
Chazan's Modim.

But most of the world do not hold of THZ -- they do not stand, feet
together, for chazaras hashatz. Does this mean that if RYBS said the
reason was bedavqa to accomodate something they don't hold of, there
is actually a raayah that without R' Chaim's diyuq one would not [say
the first two berakhos with the chazan and then] pause for Qedushah?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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