[Avodah] lo tisneh/bechira tzadikim....joseph & brothers.....

Harvey Benton harvw613 at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 20 20:34:12 PDT 2011


There are very few people/chazal that have the appelation of "tzadik" attached 
to their names. Yosef was one of them; since he is always called "yosef 
hazadik".
there is no mention of him ever forgiving his brothers for what they did to 
them, in fact, they feared just the opposite, that despite having been told by 
him not to worry, (that it was because Hashem had orchestrated the whole thing 
that he was in fact sold and sent to mitzrayim) they feared retribution from him 
after Yaakov died. 
1. did they ever ask explicitly for forgiveness from him (or was their shock and 
collective huggingn following him revealing himself, enuf?) and therefore no 
need for them to explicitly ask?
1a, if they never asked, explicitly or implicitly, should/did he ever forgive 
them? 
2. Just because (in joseph's opinion/knowledge, Hashem orchestrated the whole 
thing, we are taught that people/nations have bechira (eg, mitzrayim, pharoa, 
etc). 
Did Joseph still have the option to (or not) forgive them? and what should or 
should he not have done in this case, and for  what reasons????
3. lo tisneh es achicha did not exist yet, and even if we held that the avos 
kept the Torah (in/out of eretz yisrael, //machloket) yosef was not one of the 
avos, so perhaps it doesn't apply??
hb
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