[Avodah] Zechor/zachar

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 09:23:39AM -0400, Hankman wrote:
: RMB wrote:
:> Yes, but under this kavanah, one is definitely making a hefseiq.

: An utterance (not calling it a hefseiq intentionally) letzorech hatfilah
: (eg.) is not a hefseik, so too here as we are in "doubt," it is letzorech
: hakriah and should not be a hefseiq either.

:> I don't think this tenai works, because one is only yotzei with the correct
:> reading, whichever it is, anyway.

: Is this your way of saying that there is no safeik model, only a
: correction model? You will always have a hefseiq problem in your model as
: well, since you are knowingly including one version that does not belong
: there (even though you have no choice due to your doubt) and even more so
: if you really do know the correct version but do not use it exclusively
: out of some of fealty to the "minihag" of the last several hundred
: years. (Even though a clearly "improper" minhag should not be continued).

What I'm thinking is that according to what you're calling the "correction
model" then there is a right answer and a wrong one, and one isn't
creating a hefseiq when correcting oneself.

If one isn't treating one of the variants as "wrong" how is it letzorekh
to say the other?

I answered obliquely because I am not sure I want to buy into your two
models. AISI, the safeiq model is also saying one is a correction (and
thus letzorekh) but we don't know which.

The problem being, the same rules of mesoretic niqud we use for kol
haTorah kulah do tell us which.

It's not a real safeiq, it's a chumrah to be chosheish for an opinion
that the halachic process justifies our rejecting.

And since I now tied things into that thread, a tangent... I could
justify this chumrah by the rules I proposed, though, and perhaps this
illustrates where my head is on chumros.

For someone who doesn't know the difference in semantics between zekher
and zeikher that the Gra's talmidim were arguing about, I fail to see
the point in leining both. However, for someone for whom the repetition
helps drive in the point that we are specifically talking about removing
reminders and mememorials, not all memory of Amaleiq, I do see value.
Because it adds to how he relates to the mitzvah of zekhirah, and thus
increases the mitzvah's qiyum shebaleiv.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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