[Avodah] Moreh Nevuchim Part II Chapter 30.

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 09:38:43PM -0500, Zvi Lampel wrote:
> *ZL: Time was not created before the sixth day?? This is actually the  
> exact opposite of what the Rambam holds...

I already cut-n-pasted in this thread translations of rishonim whose
understanding of the Rambam matches my description -- that MN 2:30 describes
creation as 6 logical steps in how creation unfolded, nothing to do with
time. I don't see how the point can be debated further if you're so sure
that my read, which ended up matching the Abarbanel's, is wrong.

...
> Chazal have already explained in many places that the word "ess" is like  
> the idea of "with," they meant by this that G-d created with the heavens  
> everything that the heavens contain, and with the earth everything the  
> earth includes...

"'Es' lerabos" is a derashah (a ribui, of course). "Es" translated
al derekh peshat is an article that introduces the direct object of
a sentence.

But this is just tangential, since I really don't see you take on the
Moreh as tenable. I'm not going to bother arguing the details again;
we're going in circles. I'm invoking authority -- you're disagreeing
with the Abarbanel. The Abarbanel says the words you're quoting were
part of the Moreh's attempt to obscure his view, but it's clear enough
-- and the Abarbanel notes that Ralbag and Narboni explain the Rambam
according to this secret of creation.

That's three rishonim who you're disagreeing with about what the Rambam
said.

I'm comfortable enough with that to not bother repeating the same
debate more iterations.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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