[Avodah] Local, Non-Global or Global Flood

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 07:14:10AM -0500, Zev Sero wrote:
> I "reach" that conclusion by reading his words.  It's right there.  You
> even linked to it.  How can you deny it?  He's done with "yom", he's
> now defining "yamim"; if "yom" could mean a year he'd've said so while
> defining "yom"...

Or, that he couldn't find a case that was clear enough to use as an
example in lashon yachid. Bottom line is the Radaq's entry is "yom".

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>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 07:26:28PM -0500, Zev Sero wrote:
>>>> You still ignore issues like the use of "yom" in Bereishis 2:4 to describe
>>>> that the previous pereq told us took a week -- or an unstated amount
>>>> of time plus a week.
>>
>>> Fine.  No, it doesn't.  Rashi is very very clear on this.  It means
>>> the first day and not a minute longer...
>>
>> Yes, the pasuq is very clear that Adam was made on "yom asos H' Elokim
>> eretz veshamayhim", named the animal on that yom, gets a wife on that
>> day, eats from the eitz hadaas on that day.
>
> That is absolutely not true.  All of those things happen *after* that
> day.   At least according to Rashi.

Read the pasuq Rashi is defining. It says "On the yom which G-d created
shamayim and aretz" there was a gan in eden, Hashem made a figure out
of mud, breathed a soul into it, discussed animal names, created a wife...
The "bayom" under discussion is ABOUT those events you are saying are
not during it.

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> Again, no he doesn't.  You're making stuff up that just isn't there.

Blustering again. Really makes your argument for you.

> Rashi on 1:1 says that *this* pasuk says nothing at all about the
> order of creation.  Not because it couldn't have, but because we know
> from elsewhere that the order was different.  That is the reason he
> gives, and it's the only reason.  Not because of some mystical time
> dilation.

He also says that beri'ah preceded placement, and that the yom of 2:4
is that of beri'ah, not the week of placement.

Sorery, you're just ignoring my arguments and projecting that back,
meanwhile talking about lies and making stuff up. I quit.

Anyone following this discussion who really cares about Rashi says
can look at the latter part of the Rashi on 1:1, where he discusses
implications about sequence, as well as the Rashi on 2:4, where he
discusses the yom of the detailed story of the creation of man, and draw
your own conclusions.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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