[Avodah] Is Turkey Kosher?

[Zev Sero]

On 21/11/2010 5:57 AM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:17:37PM -0500, Zev Sero wrote:
>> On 19/11/2010 2:16 PM, Jonathan Baker wrote:
>>> But what's a "genuine mesorah"?

>> Back to Moshe Rabbenu.  That is the premise of the whole business of
>> requiring a mesorah for birds.

> Does it need to go that far back? What if the mesorah is only from
> before our fear that we might mis-read the simanim?

AIUI, the opinion that a mesorah is needed holds that the simanim are not
and never have been dispositive, not just that we're not beki'im in them.
Remember that these simanim are not misinai, they're rules of thumb
that Chazal came up with from observation of the species they examined,
and they have exceptions. The strictest mesorah-requiring opinion holds
that the exceptions Chazal listed are not comprehensive, just the ones
they knew about, and there might be others they hadn't discovered.

On 21/11/2010 7:21 AM, Micha Berger wrote:
> Which would add to the likelihood of conflating turkeys with the
> tarnigol adumah which has a mesorah.

Once again, where do you get the idea that there is a mesorah of
kashrus for the tarnegol adumah (assuming there even is such a bird)

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