[Avodah] When the Entire Cong Should Say Kaddish with the Mourner

[Arie Folger]

R' Danny Schoemann wrote:
> > Does this also apply to saying this identical Kaddish at a Siyum; do all the
> > participants recite the declaration and the hope to see a restored Yrm?
>
> No idea; anybody know the source for saying the long Kaddish at a
> Siyum? For that matter, I've seen Temanim say the long Kaddish
> withTiskabal at Mincha.

In the days of the Geonim, kadish was still quite flexible, built
around the core of Yehei Shemei Rabbah, but otherwise as malleable as
a mi shebeirakh, but in Aramaic. Blessings for the Reish Geluta and
the Geonim were not uncommon, it seems.

So, do not consider our common minhag regarding what is said when, as
a necessary outcome.

Anyway, it seems that the long kaddish of the grave was originally
recited after noteworthy shiurim, the Pirka, for instance.

While not my usual source, I must refer you to a thorough article,
based on geniza sources, by Neil Danzig, on this and Yequm Purqan,
entitled The Origins of Yequm Purqan and Qaddish de-Hadata.

Kol tuv,
-- 
Arie Folger,
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