[Avodah] Sukka must be kosher for sleeping?

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From: Zev Sero _zev at sero.name_ (mailto:zev at sero.name) 

On 29/09/2010 1:11 PM,  Micha Berger wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 03:10:58AM +1000, Zev Sero  wrote:
>> When it's raining, it's possible not only to force yourself  to eat in
>> the sukkah anyway, but also to force yourself to *like*  doing so, and
>> to be *happy* while doing so...[--RZS]
>
>  How do you force yourself to like something and to be happy doing
> it?  [-RMB]

>> It depends, of course, on how unpleasant it is in the  first place; also
on how long one must go on liking it.  But one can  often psych oneself
into enjoying otherwise unpleasant experiences for a  short while; alcohol
helps, as do being with a group who are all doing it  together, and an
inspiring speaker or leader.  .... <<
--  
Zev  Sero                       
zev at sero.name                 





>>>>
This is far-fetched.  Liquoring up is all very well, but I don't  believe 
all Lubs psych themselves into believing that they are having a  wonderful 
time in the sukkah when they're sitting there soaking in the rain,  their 
clothing, hats, tables and food drowned in water.  I just can't  believe that 
"everyone psyches themselves into thinking they're enjoying  themselves"  is 
an adequate explanation -- that it gives them a hetter, let  alone a chiyuv, 
to eat in the sukkah when it's pouring rain.  Well I guess  you don't need a 
hetter to sit in the rain, but surely you need a hetter to make  a bracha 
"Leshev basukkah" under such circumstances?
 
 
The rest of Klal Yisrael considers it a "potsh in panim" if it rains the  
first night of Sukkos -- a sign that Hashem seems to have rejected our 
efforts  at fulfilling the mitzva of Sukkah.  We wait even until midnight to see 
if  the rain will stop so that we can sit in the sukka and make the bracha.   
Are you telling us that Lubs don't wait and don't get upset and don't even 
think  rain the first night is a negative sign at all -- because they enjoy 
a rainy  night just as well as a dry one?
 
You didn't explain why they don't sleep in the sukkah, either.  "You  can't 
psych yourself to fall asleep when you're all wet" -- OK fine I get  that.  
But how about when the weather is nice?    To my  knowledge, Lubs never 
sleep in the sukkah.  I'm just curious why.  (My  husband never sleeps in the 
sukkah either but that's because he genuinely can't  fall asleep anywhere but 
in his own comfy bed.  But he would never make  that the basis of a general 
rule that nobody else should sleep in a sukkah  either!)
 

--Toby  Katz
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