[Avodah] judges for a minyan

Danny Schoemann doniels at gmail.com
Tue Sep 14 01:11:48 PDT 2010


>From an Areivim discussion:

>> R' Eli Turkel wrote:
>> As the rabbi later told the brother because he wouldn't come to a mixed seating
>> wedding a few hundred people ate treif food instead of kosher.

> R' Zev Sero replied
> "Ein omrim la'adam chatei bishvil sheyizkeh chavercha."

Not that simple; this "rule" has limited application.

It does apply if the sinner was negligent; the case mentioned is where
somebody put bread in the oven on Shabbat and having somebody else
remove it before it bakes is a minor compared to the Melacha of
baking.
Tos. in Shabbat 4a "Vechi Omrim" seems to define "negligent" as where
the sinner has already started doing the sin.

For some cases when this rule does not apply, see there and Tos.
"Kofin Es Rabbo" - Chagiga 2b

It does not apply if the sinner will do a "minor sin" to prevent
another from doing a "major sin". E.g.:
- Freeing a half-slave (minor) so that he doesn't transgress "not
getting married" (major)
- Bringing a sin offering after the afternoon Tamid (minor) to prevent
somebody from missing out on Korban Pessach (major)
- Separating"uM remotely (minor) so as to prevent Tevel being eaten (major)

An argument could be made for somebody to have to attend a mixed
wedding (Chumra) to prevent a few hundred people from eating treif
food (sin).

- Danny



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