[Avodah] Leshon haKodesh

[Zev Sero]

Micha Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 02:47:19PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
>> Did you miss the searches for "tiken" and "Moshe tiken"?  That shows
>> many examples of "takanos", including many that are clearly not
>> "repairs" of a broken situation, so you can't explain them that way.
> 
> Of course they are. Every bit of rabbinic legislation is a repair.

How so?  What was broken before?  For instance, when Moshe
established eight mishmarot, what was he repairing?  When he
established the first bracha of benching, what was he repairing?



>>> Even so, the world was established already. It would be a little late
>>> to discuss establishing the world at this point in its existence.
> 
>> Aleinu doesn't say that Hashem will establish the world, it says that
>> He will establish it under his sovereignty.  That hasn't happened yet;
>> He's still only our King, not the world's.
> 
> That would be a repair, since the world is established already. One might
> say "re-establish", but to insist on that is neither provable nor more
> similar to "establish" than "repair".

You're not getting it; to establish the world, and to establish it in
His sovereignty are two different things.  It's not a re-establishment,
it's a different thing.  The thing being established is not "Olam",
but "Olam Bemalchus Sha-ai".   At least to me the distinction is clear
and I'm not sure why it isn't clear to others.



>> How about Koheles 12:9?
> 
> What about it? Did he improve or establish those parables? For that
> matter, how do you establish a parable rather than write it? JPS renders
> the end of the pasuq as "set in order".

He composed them.  He caused them to be.  Like legal enactments.


>> "vesein chelkeinu besorasecha", at least, means "in", not "through".
>> As in "chavalim naflu li ban`imim".
> 
> Then your list is all broken, in which "be-" shifts meaning in the middle.

How do you translate it, then?  What is this portion that we are asking
to be given, and how can it be given by means of the Torah?


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