[Avodah] anti-meat rhetoric "according to Judaism"

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From: Micha Berger _micha at aishdas.org_ (mailto:micha at aishdas.org) 



>> They have pain -- it's a stimulus
meaning something is  off and ought to be avoided. But without knowing
they are in pain, do they  experience suffering?

I'm arguing no, and further, that this lack of  possible experience of
suffering is reflected in the dinim of tzaar baalei  chayim, as well as
in the prohibition of a chazan saying "al kan tzipor  yagi'u Rachamekha."  
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Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

--  
Micha  Berger              





>>>>>
 
Animals do suffer.  It is a cruel person who deliberately causes pain  to 
an animal for no good reason, or for fun.  We will just have to agree to  
disagree about this.
 
Our literature, our tefillos and so on, are full of references to Hashem's  
chessed and goodness to all His creatures.  According to you, animals  
don't need it because a cat is no more sentient than a stalk of celery.  I  
can't even understand your point, it seems so bizarre and so self-evidently  
wrong to me.  So animals cannot possibly suffer?   Well, in the  words of the 
Church Lady on the old Saturday Night Live, "Isn't that  conVEEEENient!"  You 
can do what you like.  Test toxic products on  animals' eyes, cut up live 
animals for surgical practice and don't waste money  on anesthesia.  I don't 
even believe you believe what you wrote.  And  I know you are far from a 
cruel person.
 
 
 

--Toby Katz
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