[Avodah] minhagei 9 av

[Tal Moshe Zwecker]

A Chassidic reading of the Gemarra is not peshat, its not meant as peshat, 
just as when the Baalei Tosfos or the Rosh in their commentaries on Chumash 
offer gematrias and notrikon meanings for verses, and just as the Baal 
HaTurim's reading of Mesoras all these Derushim and "plays on words" read 
back into verses of the Torah and quotes of Chazal are ways for us to read 
into the text oral teachings and ideas.

So asking me kashas on how this jibes with peshat in the sugya or how this 
chidush works with another sugya misses the point, a Derush or Remez need 
not agree with Peshat in fact it may fly in the face of it and contradict 
it. Ayn Mashivin Al HaDerush style.

As I ended my original post, the great chassidic rebbes who were masters of 
the Niglah as well as Nistar supported this method of reading the text, and 
this minhag is based on their teachings and theirs is the path we follow. 
If that is not your derech so be it, Ayin Panim LaTorah and Elu vaElu.

I was more responding against the idea that this is merely a fulfillment of 
a taava to eat meat and drink wine.
Kol Tuv,
R' Tal Moshe Zwecker
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gershon Dubin" <gershon.dubin at juno.com>
To: <avodah at lists.aishdas.org>
Cc: <tal.zwecker at gmail.com>; <avodah at lists.aishdas.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Avodah] minhagei 9 av


> <<or would the approach you've publicized suggest that it was said merely
> because the chiddush of "mishenichnas Av" would follow?>>
>
> It's the opposite logic in the Gemara, actually.   The Mishna in Taanis
> (26b) says mishenichnas Av mema'atim besimcha, whereupon the Gemara (29a)
> says, keshem that mishenichnas Av mema'atim besimcha, kach mishenichnas
> Adar marbim besimcha.
>
> Gershon
> gershon.dubin at juno.com
>
>
>
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