[Avodah] Looking for sources about Chazal's Ruach Hakodesh

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 07:35:30PM -0500, David Riceman wrote:
: Micha Berger wrote:
: >Unless the Ramban differs between a mar'eh and nevu'ah in general.

: According to the Ramban angels are capable of donning what appear to be 
: physical bodies.

Or actual physical bodies.

Still, I don't know if the Ramban would exclude the resulting conversation
from the term "nevu'ah".

I personally agree that he would. In fact, I already conceded that I
made a silly error by forgetting the whole reason why everyone else
disagrees with the Rambam.

My own theory is that according to the Ramban, nevu'ah is a message
Hashem sends via metaphors; as opposed to the Rambam (as explained by
the Abarbanel) who defines it as seeing higher realities. This is how
the Abarbanel answers the Ramban's question about who saved Lot, as
well as the machloqes between the Rambam and the Ramban as to who (or
Who) was the Man in the Throne in this week's parashah.

According to this theory, the Ramban would NOT call the conversation
with a mal'akh that is wearing a physical body "nevu'ah".

But wile I have a source for that explanation of the Rambam, the Ramban
is my own guesswork, so I didn't close the book on other possibilities.


On another front, RCManaster is correct that I only addressed on small
facet of his question. I think the question will end up further mudied
by the fact that both ruach haqodesh and nevu'ah are used in a specific
sense -- referring to a particular kind of transmission, and a more
general sense.

Not to mention added difficulty cause by the fact that we're blind people
studying the words "red", "blue" "green", etc... trying to map them to
places on the color wheel without ever having experienced sight, never
mind the actual colors.


Which brings me to RYGB's list...
On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 07:29:11PM -0500, Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer wrote:
: Micha Berger wrote:
:> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 07:29:08AM -0500, Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer wrote:
:>: In R' Moshe Yechiel Tzuriel's Otzaros HaMussar vol. 1, in the Sha'ar
:>: HaBitachon, there is an amazing and comprehensive compendium on this topic.

>: How many people have access to OhM vol 1? Couldn't you include a couple
>: of highlights?

: p. 257:  List of 33 revelations of Eliyahu to Chazal.
: p. 258: List of 6 revelations of the Malach HaMaves and his subjugation
: by Chazal.
: p. 259: List of 41 miracles wrought by Chazal.
: p. 261: List of 5 incidents of Techiyas HaMeisim by Chazal.
...
: p. 266: List of 14 indicators of Chazal's yiras shomayim.
: p. 267: List of 7 indicators of Chazal's mesirus nefesh for mitzvos.

: There are many, many more such lists in the book!

But of those you gave, the only one that MIGHT qualify as proof of ruach
haqodesh in particular would be the first two -- if ruach haqodesh is
actually a necessary prerequisite of experiencing revelations of those
sorts.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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