[Avodah] Kol Isha - HETER

[Samuel Svarc]

I don't even know where do start...

Most probably it would be best to read it inside in the original
language, instead of filtering everything through other people who
have already "explained" it.

There are certain things that are 'ervah' regardless of ones intent or
actual 'hanauh'. E.g. Going to a nude beach where one is habituated
already r"l and looking at 'oseh makom'. Ervah is 'assur' to look at.
When there is a 'derasha' that turns the voice into 'ervah' there is
no need for 'hanuah' to 'assur' anymore. Ken nereh laniyas dati.

KT,
MSS

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Michael Makovi <mikewinddale at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is an extremely serious misrepresentation and distortion of the
>> Rambam.   He does not permit kol isha, as you seem to believe.
>>
>> Rn' Toby Katz
>
> My interpretation of the Rambam is explicit in Rabbi Yehiel Weinberg.
> Rambam says something like assur l'histakel b'etza ketana kedei
> leihanot, v'gam lishmoah kol shel ha-erva. Is there any possible
> interpretation other than to say (as Rabbi Weinberg does) that both
> kol isha and etzba ketana are conditioned on kedei leihanot?
>
> As for the Aharonim...
>
> I realize my interpretation is cavalier, but what can I say?

 <SNIP>

> Read Rabbi Howard Jachter's article (cited in my essay), for example.
> It's an excellent article, and a very useful one, to which I am
> indebted. But it's rather frustrating to see him discuss Rabbi
> Weinberg at length, and then conclude that no posqim have allowed
> hergel to mitigate the prohibition. Excuse me?? Isn't that EXACTLY
> what Rabbi Weinberg did?? He discusses Rabbi Weinberg, but by the end
> of the article, he seems to have entirely forgotten all about him.

Should it not give you pause when smart people have written
differently then you? This is the logical basis behind the halachic
issues of precedent. So to cavalierly assume that one knows better
then previous generations is a major problem. To think that one has
discerned a new p'sak that eluded countless generations of poskim
before him (Ramoh, Pnei Yehoushuah, Gra, R' Akiva Eiger, Chasam Sofer,
etc.) is to disclose that one is not a party to a serious discussion
on halacha.

KT,
MSS