[Avodah] Who First Said it? 2

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Chanoch
> But see Rabbeinu Chananel who says

> אפי׳ שני תלמידי חכמים הבקיאין בהלכות הפסח שואלין זה את זה מה נשתנה הלילה
                                                          > הזה מכל הלילות

> "Even two talmidei chachamim who are experts in the laws of pesach, ask
> each other 'why is this night different from all other nights?'"

> The gemara has a similar statement but we know that it's not a single
> quotation because there are two dots before מה נשתנה, indicating a
> quotation from the Mishna. Rabbeinu Chananel doesn't have a period
> before מה נשתנה indicating that he's making one coherent phrase --
> according to him they davka read each other the text of the four
> questions.

I'm not sure of the point here

Rashi/Rashbam are commenting on the Mishna

Ra"Ch here is AFAIK paraphrasing the tannu rabbanan in the g'mara which
starts with a ben chacham and moves along

At no point is the YOUNGEST son recommended - neither in Mishnah nor in
that Braisso.

Unlike a young child - or even a clueless child as in the mishnah -
a chacham COULD ask about forthcoming events. [D'lo k'shitas RZS]

Again, the simple read of the mishnah is we do things to stimulate
k'dai sheyish'alu. Failing that - then aviv m'lamdo ["at p'sach lo"
of the eino yodei'a lish'ol!]

If I were running the minhag I would have the youngest ask q's along
the lines of:

Dear Abba,
A why did you dip karpas?
B Why did you break yachatz?
C Why did you prepare a 2nd kos before even eating.?
Etc.
This would reflect the immediate stimulants.

Later on I would have the leader or a chacham ask the 4 questions about
upcoming events.

Then the leader responds avadim hayinu...

I suspect from my OWN questions that somone wanted the YOUNGEST son to
play the role of the CHACHAM and avoid being a she'eino yodei'a lish'ol
which would explain how that minhag got started - iow give nachas to
the parents!

KT
RRW
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