[Avodah] Mishum Eivah

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:57am EST, R Zev Sero asked about my post on Areivim:
:> If it meant what my rabbeim taught me WRT saving [nachriim] on Shabbos,
:> then I would have to believe that we're worried about wives murdering
:> their husbands as well.

: How so?  

Mishum Eivah is used in four context: husband and wife, father and son,
bein adam lachaveiro in general, and between Yehudi and nachri. Something
I learned from RnCL in http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol17/v17n023.shtml#13 ,
who notes that the Encyc Talmudit has those four chapter headings, and
sure enough, it provides examples of each.

So when I wrote:
:> The translation just isn't teneble for other
:> uses of the idiom.

If we were worried about hatred only that led to death of Yehudim, the
idiom wouldn't really fit the other cases. "Mishum eivah" speaks of the
eivah itself, not its consequences.

(I'm reminded of the way yir'as hacheit differs from yir'as ha'onesh.)

...
:> Second, another (?) reason given is darkhei Shalom

: Given by whom?

Those who hold that the Rambam in Melakhim 10:12 is including refu'ah
beshabbos. Admittedly, that's chillul Shabbos derabbanan. However,
there is a machloqes altogether if and how darkhei Shalom differs from
mishum eivah altogether.

:                  Considering that the *universally agreed* halacha
: until 200 years ago was that one is *not* allowed to break shabbos to
: save a nochri, and we are *not* worried about eivah.

Yes, because until 200 years ago there was no way to avoid the hate
anyway.

And I ellided over his fundamental question, leaving it for the end:
: Eivoh means hate.  But how does the prospect of hate allow chilul shabbos?

It would seem that avoiding hatred (assuming the hatred is deep enough)
is in and of itself a higher priority than Shabbos.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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