[Avodah] Rov Jews in EY?

[Zev Sero]

Arie Folger wrote:
> RZS wrote:
>> I'd like to see it in *some* posek.
>> The pashtus haloshon of the gemara on which he ultimately bases his
>> theory ("lo zozu mishom ad she'asa'um") seems to be to be against him
 
> The same terminology is used by teh Gemara in 'Hullin about Kutim ("lo
> zazu misham 'ad she'assaum 'ovedei kokhavim gemurim"), which teh
> 'Hatam Sofer takes to mean that there was a special Sanhedrin
> conference to take away teh Kuttim's Jewishness. So there you have a
> posseq taking this seriously.

On the contrary, that is a posek taking the exact opposite position;
that, as the lashon implies, this was a specific takana: they did not
move from that place until they did this.  It wasn't a general psak
din about anyone who has forgotten his origins.


> I should add that the 'Hatam Sofer was
> probably writing about this to imply that Reformers, too, were at such
> risk, even though the 'HS may have believed that we do no have that
> power since we lack the Sanhedrin (I really don't know and have to
> look it up; it has been several years since I learned that sugya).

Well, according to RAL so long as the Reformers kept the name "Jewish"
they would not be at risk, and if they lost it then no Sanhedrin would
be needed, they would just automatically become goyim.


> Anyway, the same mechanism could of course apply to the 10 Shevatim.

Of course; that is what that opinion in the gemara says.

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