[Avodah] Dishwashers

[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

[Redux]

See SA YD 93:1
95:3,4

R Martin L. Brody:
> I'm sorry, but as long as there is soap it seems to be ok L'chatchilla
> according to the SA. R.OY in Yabia Omer 1:10

1 L'chatchila?
2 Simulataneously or zeh achar zeh?

> SA YD 95:3-4
> Discusses simultaneously [except as Rema suggests that zeh achar zeh
> is OK ONLY b'diavad.

SA in 95:4 allows eifer [soaped up] dishes ONLY b'diaavad when done
simulataneously. IOW
Water with already added eiferand then both dairy and meat dishes added
together the dishes are muttar post facto. The SA does NOT pasqen that
one may set this up l'chathcilah!

Note:
SA YD 93:1 prohhibits using a keili for both dairy and meat [even zeh
achar zeh]

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Note that l'chatchila cooking parve in a dairy or meat vessel might be
OK for s'phardim ben yomo
and as per Rema l'chathcila when eino ben yomo.

I see no l'chatchilah heter at all from M'chabeir or Rema for using a
single Yorah for both Dairy and Meat.

AFAIK IIRC RMF requires

1 Separate racks and
2 an empty run in between
in order to use a dishwasher l'chathcila for both dairy and meat.

[Email #2. -micha]

Some questions to ponder:
1 When water shoots out of the sprayer, does the soap mix in before it
hits the dishes or after?
Note: different dishwashers might behave differently

2 Does anyone l'chatchila allow cooking of meat and milk in a kli sheini,
even if we accept that b'di'avad no damage was done?

3 Can anyone cite a modern poseiq that permits lechat'chila to mix ta'am
pagum such as pagum meat with pagum dairy?

4 Is there any major source after SA that constures eino ben yomo as a
heter on mamashus - as opposed to on b'lia?

5. What are the restrictions re: hag'ala when koshering dairy and
meat dishes?
[Hint SA 452:2] 

KT
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