[Avodah] Seeing G'zeiros Everywhere

[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

Just for the record
Re: Chana's recent post I categorically deny [virtually] every conclusion
and accusation

FWIW tonight I consulted a big Sephardic Talmid Chacham and proceeded
to show him SA orach Hayyim 476:1

He had several reactions. Here are 2

1 the posqim [as it turns out Rambam and SA] are not so precise with
the term g'zeira

then after showing him the haqdama to the Rambam about post Talmudic "taqqanot, g'zeirot, and minhhaggim" 

2 he agreed with my defintion and pointed out both Qitniyyot and bigamy.
He then regaled me how the Rosh protested Qitniyyot to which I responded:
"The Hayei Adam calls this al tiitosh torat imecha" and so I follow this
as Minhag Avot.

[We then concurred that it "the g'zeira od qitniyyot" did not apply to
peanuts, corn, peanut oil and corn syrup.]

Now if Rambam and SA are Careless or imprecise, I would not expect any
better of me!

And if they were being precise, then BH I'm following them.


As far as making lists go, this is the definitvie way to use inductive
tehcniques, to make a definition

As far as confusing Taqnana and g'zeira I made such a disclaimer in my
first post. I wish to add that elon shows that the two are different
BUT he opens with an example of where the Talmud contradicts itself and
calls the same thing g'zeira in one ciitation and Taqqnanah in another.
That does NOT mean that they should be always conflated, but his tazonomy
DOES combie them as "haqiqah" [trans = legilation] I really didn't want
to go there, but it seems necessary now.

Also the Rambam in Hilc Hametz and the aforementioned SA OH 476 kinda
conflates minhag hammaqom with g'zeira.

While minhag/g'zeira/taqqnah are not synonymous, it is east to demonstrate
overlap, so EG the defintions would be 3 overlapping circles in a
Venn diagram


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Years ago A kashrut agency told me of some changes they would make when
they would take over a given resaurant.
 I asked: "Is this Halachhically required?

They answered "no" [meaning not necessarily] that they had "standards". 

And so I say that any standard that is beyond halachah and that is
absolutely required by an agency anyway is g'zeira upon the community
of food purveyors AND upon their mashgichin.
Why? 
Because

Bottom line again
If it's a s'yag
And it's limitted in scope [say community or even region] and it's
halachically permitted, but a policy is made against it, it's a g'zeira.

Now you need not have a nice simple model lile mine. And if you choose
another taxonomy or leicography - well it's a free society!

I posit that if we all used these kinds of models that p'saq would be
more clean, crisp, clear, self-evident, talmud-like, and imho would
engender less resistance! A Gaon might gozeir no burials on YT sheini
and a given community could say "fine for his followers but we have a
different minhag or BD here"

Same EG were a community's BD gozeir "our eruv goes down once or twice a
Year g'zeira shema yishkechu toras hotza'ah"

Good Shabbos
RRW
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