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[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

> others, like myself, upon hearing the formidable issues, such as
> constant use in a commercial environment removing ben yomo, failure of
> CIP to remove beins, the heter of bishul akum ha companies not being
> used by the vast majority of poskim...

My general hashkafah is to try lechatchila to aim as high as one can,
But bedi'avad to settle for a lot less.

Kullos serve a purpose to avoid great loss. [Yeish al mi lismoch] They're
needed to address human error, etc. To rely upon them at the outset is
imho an abuse of the system.

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Tangentially:

I was working last night on YD 95:3-4
WRT dishwashers. I was trying to show how the language of the mechabeir
might indicate whether it's L'chatchilah vs. B'di'avad.

I told him the same words can mean differently things in different
contexts

EG: "you better drive it carefully"

This can be either:
    - l'chatchila advice EG when somone borrows the car
    - Or its bedi'avad advice EG if they have already stolen the car!  :-)





Micha:
> "Numerous issues involved", but are resolved as mutar lekhat-chilah
> (eg bitul by a nachri).

[By which I mean lekhat-chilah relative to eating, not relative to
giving it to the nachri. -micha]

Here is a quick "cur hamivchan" re: deriving benefit [hana'ah] from
ma'aseh nochri

The Nochri is John
First Jew: Reuven
2nd Jew: Shimon

1 Shabbos
    A On Shabbos John puts on light in dining room for himself
      Reuven comes over

      Q: may Reuven use that light?

    B John KNOWS Reuven is coming over and specificlly for Reuven's
      benefit - John, on shabbos, puts on the dining room light.

      Q: may Reuven use that light?

2 Kashrus

    A John throws drops in a miniscule amount of issur in some cofee in
      his house w/o anticipating anyone else.
      Reuven later comes over

      Q: may Reuven drink that coffee?

    B John intentionally throws drops in a miniscule amount of issur
      in some cofee in his kitchen in anticipation of serving it later
      to Reuven
      Reuven later comes over

      Q1: May Reuven drink that coffee?
      Q2: May Shimon walk in and drink that coffee?

    C John has a coffee shop with a hashgachah. Reuven serves as the rav
      hamachshir. As a matter of course, John intentionally adds drops
      of issur in amounts that will be bateil in order to conform with
      bittul and hilchos kashrus.
      Reuven later comes over to inspect the cafe.

      Q1: May Reuven drink that coffee?
      Q2: May Shimon later on purchase that coffee?

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