[Avodah] Was Esav a Rasha in the womb?

[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:59:39AM -0500, Richard Wolberg wrote:
:> Actually, He doesn't. You're saying that Hashem knows *now* what the
:> child will choose. But Hashem doesn't have a "now". G-d's knowledge is
:> entirely without a "when", so it doesn't stand before, during or after
:> your decision.

: If you read what I sent originally, I clearly stated: 
: "For Him, past, present and future are all together."

I still believe you miss the above implication of that concept. There is
no question of Divine Foreknowledge if there is no concept of "fore" WRT
His Knowledge.

: IMHO, we are just being informed by the Torah that Eisav's tendencies
: were such as to be drawn to AZ. Many idolators of that time did not
: commit idolatry out of an evil inclination. That was their natural
: inclination and once they were made aware of its evil, then the free
: choice would come into play.

I don't see how this is related. One is about G-d's knowledge, the other
is about Esav's ability to make informed (or any) value judgments.

I actually find your IMHO to be pretty much what I repeated from my
shul-mate about the Maharal. However, with different wording. Esav
had a draw to AZ, but that was his nature. It's not until free will
that the yh"r is the source of his following that pull rather than
a more meaningful calling.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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