[Avodah] Yom Tov Sheni for Olim LeReget to the Beit

Chana Luntz chana at kolsassoon.org.uk
Sat Nov 21 14:41:50 PST 2009


RRW writes:

> By obligating herself, a woman is not creating an obligation 
> to DO, but to conform to the HOW whilst doing.
> 
> Similar to sh'chita and arba kanfos. A Jew is permitted to 
> kill an animal w/o shechita, but when performing sh'chita a 
> Jew must conform to Hilchos Sh'chita.
> 
> AISI, it's this submission to the rules that encompasses 
> "tzivanu" implying the HOW, as opposed to implying a 
> necessity to perform.
> 
> EG Therefore a woman may not hear a cow's horn on RH since it 
> fails to effect any mitzvah therefore it violates muktzeh, etc.
> 
> And AFAICT When a woman does s'micha on a Qorban, she must 
> also follow those rules, even thought its only r'shus

The problem is that, as I indicated in my previous post - this is *not* true
according to Tosphos (although it may well be true according to the Ra'avad
and Rashi).   Tosphos in Chullin 85a d'h nashim somchot reshut hold (as per
what would seem to be the straightforward reading of the gemora in Chagiga)
that while men do smicha with full strength, women only float their hands on
the korban. Thus they were not violating the d'orita prohibition of working
with kodshim, but rather were (or would have been absent this limud) only
violating the rabbinic prohibition of looking like one was working with
kodshim.
So your explanation specifically does not work with Tosphos as the how is
indeed different.  

> So for ashkenazim
> Reshus implies no obligation, voluntary
> 
> tzivanu implies complying to the applicable Halachos, [which 
> for women may be a voluntary complicity]

And yet the usual basis for the Ashkenazi women blessing on mitzvos aseh
shehazman grama is Tosphos, specifically the Tosphos I cited in Rosh Hashana
33a0.

BTW getting back to the original question, is the Tosphos allowing a
blessing on Hallel and the Tosphos allowing women to bless related, there is
(despite my previous answer) one key linkage, which is that one needs to
hold, as Tosphos does explicitly in that Tosphos on Rosh Hashana 33a, that
making a bracha shein tzricha is an issur d'rabbanan, and the limud in the
gemora is just an asmachta.  Because if you hold it is an issur d'orisa, as
many of the Sephardim do, then you are going to be a lot more nervous about
allowing brachos in more doubtful situations like these).

> KT
> RRW

Shavuah tov

Chana





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