[Avodah] minhag

[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

RRW:
> Many minhaggim are simply "spiritual enhancers"»

RET:
> RYBS disagrees about selichot and feels it goes back to the geonim
> and probably een to chazal (i.e. R.Yochanan)

How is THAT a disagreement?  Does the factoid that it's Gaonic preclude it as a "spirtitual enhancer"?

Anyway here are more factoids

Selichos period - dierse Minhaggim
1 Rambam 10 Days of Teshua
2 Ashkenaz add another 4-8 days
3 Edot mizrach add Elul
4 Habbad Ashkenaz monly thru  tzom gedalyah

Tangent Minhag

1 Ere YK short or long (EG Breuer)

Conclusion: no single "taqqanah" for yamim nora'im

Howeer,
If RYDS amar selichos hu min HaGaonim - hachi ka'amar:

Selichos for TAANIS TZIBBUR IS Gaonic
In that it is in our text of Seder Ra Amram to be said in birkas slach
lanu - which Breuer's still does today for the 4 Taaniyyos
BUT not B"H"B nor 9 A [note our SRAG has been enhanced and embellished
and includes much of Minag Ashkenaz]

SRAG has selichos for 9 A which the minhag is NOT to say - [does anyone
differ and still say selichoa on 9 Av?]

Does Rambam HAE a nusach for s'lichos


Tangents
IIRC 2 Shaarei Teshua says that Tiqqun Hatzos trumps s'lichos - but I
have not yet locate it [SA 681]

Also to not say 13 middos at night al pi sod is mashma a later origin
in that I'm unaware that gaonim had such a Hakpadah.

KT
RRW
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