[Avodah] Attending religious services other than Jewish

[Yitzchak Schaffer]

Zev Sero wrote:
> But the central part of the mass -- the "transsubstantiation" and the
> bread-worship -- is different; AIUI even the "highest-church" Anglicans
> do not worship the bread, and regard it as merely *symbolising* their
> god rather than actually *being* him.  And of course the lower-church
> you get the more removed that part is from AZ, till you get to the
> very low, borderline puritan church, where they would deliberately
> throw the leftovers in a mokom tinuf, in order to show that they don't
> think it's a god.

I hear the distinction (frankly we never got this technical in my lay 
education), but am still left wondering whether there's a NM in what 
"level" AZ it would be.

There were different nuschaos we (er, they) used in the Eucharist, one 
being "The body of Ch, the bread of heaven" with the bread, and "The 
blood of Ch, the cup of salvation" with the wine.  I dunno, sounds 
awfully transsubstantiatious to me; certainly bi-shaas maaseh.  Goes 
back to the sheitel question of which matters: the official doctrine, 
and/or what the individual worshippers are mechaven when they are 
worshipping...

On another note, I remember an interesting questionnaire we once filled 
out and discussed in a church youth group about such theological 
questions - virgin birth, mahus of Yoshke, eucharist, etc...  this after 
I began seriously considering leaving Christianity for being a Jew.  One 
of the thinking young guys there said at one point, "for all I know, in 
two years, I might end up a Muslim!"  Inner smirk.

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