[Avodah] Pizza - is it Pashtida?

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 06:38:26PM +0000, rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com wrote:
: My talmid chaveir [RNG] quewtioned this read, and had convinced me
: otherwise, that pizza=pas period. IOW It is mostly like a grilled cheese
: sandwich with sauce on it.

Except that the grilled cheese sandwich was cheese placed atop a piece
of bread that could otherwise have been eaten.

The really tricky PHB are bagel chips. If they are bagels that were made
as bagels and turned into chips, they're hamotzi. Like toast or grilled
cheese sandwitched. If, however, they are made by a snack company with
the original intent to be chips, they would be mezonos.

Now, what if they're made by nachriim. Does their intent matter, or is
it like bitul where it's only the intent of those mechuyavim that
count?

: Today, seeing SA orach Hayyim 168:17 I am even more convinced.
: "Pashtida baked in the oven with ....cheese, one makes Hammotzi"
: MB 93: those filled with meat are normally eaten for hunger [unlike
: small thin wafers eaten as kinu'ach. (EG wonton or keplach)]

This is the basic problem, as I see it. Even though they're PHB, people
are qoveia se'udah on them. Like "mezonos rolls", which also aren't
a mezonos if eaten as a meal. (With confusing instructions in one's
airline meal from the hashgachah organization about what berakhah to
make, resulting. IIRC, the OU tells you to hold on to the roll for later,
and not eat it as part of the meal.)

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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