[Avodah] minhag simchat tora

[Zev Sero]

Saul.Z.Newman at kp.org wrote:
> 
> i saw  no mention made  of  'piyutim' .  in many machzors, including 
> artscroll's , the have  a few  piyutim  before mussaf---sisu vsimchu, 
>  the avos kept  simchas tora, etc

Are these several piyutim, or one piyut?

> i havent seen these sung [anyone know  the nussach]

I know a tune for the first line ("sisu vesimchu") and one for the
last line ("Ashreichem Yisroel").   The only minhag I know is to try
to sing the whole piyut to the tune of "sisu vesimchu", even though
it doesn't come even close to scanning.  Being not quite sober helps;
that is to say, it doesn't help the words scan, but it helps the
singer not mind so much :-)


> i wonder how  prevalent  it is to actually do them.....

I take it that in your experience they remain in the siddur but are
not said; if so, do you say "Koh Keli" before musaf?  It's my
understanding that it is said (by those who do so) in order to make
a break between the haftara and Ashrei, and therefore it's not said
whenever there's something else in that spot: on Shabbos because of
Yekum Purkan, on Yizkor days because of Yizkor, and on Simchas Torah
because of Sisu Vesimchu.

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