[Avodah] LBD lists

[Rich, Joel]

While some, like RMB, might be willing to be 'm'tztaref' lenient position upon lenient position, others, like myself, upon hearing the formidable issues, such as constant use in a commercial environment removing ben yomo, failure of CIP to remove beins, the heter of bishul akum ha companies not being used by the vast majority of poskim rendering it a daas yachid, and on and on, feel the view expressed by R' Schwab ("I'm a l'chatchila yid") seems most sensible.

I wonder as well at the sentiment expressed, that this is "observing kashrut, stringently". It would appear that a more objective evaluation would term it "observing kashrut, utilizing lenient positions, at times relying on daas yochids". While one might be allowed, halachically, to do so, to me it appears to be dangerously close to an attitude of 'novil b'rishus haTorah'.

And is it really only 'baalie nefesh' who would want their food to not be considered bishul akum by more then one solitary posek? Or who wouldn't want to rely on adjudicating correctly major machlokes achronim, but would want to l'chatchila cover both sides? And if someone, avidly following the thread on Yad soledes bo and seeing the many divergent ranges and the multiple factors involved, thinks its best to not rely on the most meik'l shuir is he really being machmir, or is he rather resisting becoming someone who accepts the most meikl position just because it exists? IOW, not knowing which shuir of YSB is correct, he won't automatically use the most lenient position with the deciding factor being its very leniency, because he's worried not so much as being a 'baal nefesh' but afraid of being a 'novol'.

KT,
MSS
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WADR this is a very subjective measurement based on the time and place.  I don't hear anyone advocating that we MRI all animals for all possible treifot prior to shechita.  Why take a chance?  Bittul b'rov- why take a chance on timtum?Why not just simplify everything by taking the most machmir position articulated throughout halachic history?

 IMHO the current trend to chumrah is at least somewhat due to our material society allowing us to afford it, and what people will accept.  That's fine but we should consider the cost to our society and the trade-offs (e.g. if food costs 5% more due to taking a more machmir standard, where is that being taken away from?)
KT
Joel Rich
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