[Avodah] mei marom

[Zev Sero]

Elazar M. Teitz wrote:
> REli Turkel quoted a "vort" on the g'mara about R. Chanina b. Tradyon's
> execution and his executioner's getting olam haba for easing the suffering
> by hastening the death. What he quoted asked, "Why did Rabbi Chanina cry?"
> 
> To this, RZev Sero responded, "*He didn't*. RChbT was already dead
> and unable to cry, even had he been so inclined. This entire 'torah'
> is based on the author misremembering the gemara, and thus fails."

> The quote was mipi hash'mua. I think it is obvious that the shomeia was
> the one who misremembered that is was Rebbi who cried, and of Rebbi's
> crying that Rav Shach gave the explanation. The vort stays the same

On the contrary, the entire pshetel *depends* on the identity of the
crier, and it makes no sense with Rebbi as the crier.

Micha Berger wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:58:54PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
> : I've already suggested an explanation for all three stories several
> : posts ago.  They represent three *different* ways to get instant OHB,
> : and teshuvah is only one of those ways.
> 
> Leis din veleis Dayan?

Of course there is a din and a dayan.  What has that got to do with it?
Yesh koneh olamo beshanim harbei.  But there are ways to get on the fast
track.  Teshuvah is one of them; why does that bother you less than the
other two? (Or more; we have no guarantee that there are only three.)

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