[Avodah] Lo Ra'inu Eino Raya ==> Blanket Heter
rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com
rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com
Mon Jul 27 10:52:58 PDT 2009
Micha:
> Last, there is indication that the Ravina of chasimas haShas was R'
> Ashi's grandson, not his usual bar pelugta. That would explain Mar Berei
> deR' Ashi's presence in the shas, even lefi haRambam (who seems to
> ignore the savoraim)."
There are literally books on this (see 2 below)
In shas Ravina and Rav Ashi bepashuts referred to Ravina I.
The first to change that to Ravina II is AFAIK iggeres der. Sherira Gaon.
But the meaning of sof hora'ah is quite disputed
Rambam
The simplistic model is the popular yeshivishe model. A virtual
Sanhedrin. Neat, clean, simple. Like Yigdal maybe too simple
To tosafos it's the end of an era, not the chasima of a text.
So contemporary texts that have amoraim are equally authoritative
Illustration bavli vs. Pesikta re: micha bas kushi and Tefillin and
Tosafos sham. (Rabbi Kanarfogel and I arrived at this conclusion from
a chat). That's why Tosafos goes outside Bavli a lot.
In wissenshaft land sof horoa'ah means something else - and the
first definitive work is Kaplan's redaction of babylonian Talmud.
(Probably somewhat passe by now)
As Rav Halivni would explain, "sof hora'ah" refers to the last to make
braisso style meimros (Apodictic).
After that Amoraim or Saboraim in the Gmara were quoted as part of shakla
v'tarya but not as speaking "hora'ah" in declarative pronouncements.
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Wolpoe's hypothesis
Re: transitiona eras.
Z'keinim:
Following Yehoshu'a
No new Zkeinim could be minted. (Probably Zkeinim refer to survivors
from Moshe rabbeinu's lifetime)
Sof tannaim means that after Rebbe's death no new Tannaim were minted -
But those still alive were grandfathered in EG Rav
Sof Hora'ahmeans that following the deaths of Ravina and Rav Ashi
No new Amoraim were minted. The survivors were also grandfathered in.
Thus eras have gray "eras". :-), it is not an abrupt ending.
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I hope this helps.
RRW
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