On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 10:31:18PM +0300, Eli Turkel wrote: : how is evidence by a bird treated in halacha? : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1102935.html Wouldn't it qualify as an umdena? Hamotzi meichaveiro alav hara'ayah, and I would think that the bird indicating he recognized the owner is a ra'ayah. -Micha