[Avodah] Chutzpah and Cheilek

[Cantor Wolberg]

>
> HB: 1. If we have the klal/Chazal, that >>Kol Yisrael Yesh Lahem  
> Cheleik LeOlam Haba, then why assume the worst of oneself to assume  
> he/she will fall into those categories of egrigious sinners that are  
> excepted from that Klal?

That sounds nice but you know, as well as I, that the "Kol Yisrael" is  
a k'lal but the p'ratim are quite different.

> 3. A non-egregious sinner could always phrase his request to Hashem  
> in a conditional tone:  e.g, SHOULD I have a cheiliek in O.H. please  
> apply it towards the following (worthy) causes....
I must admit that I thought of the conditional tone. But that's not  
the way it was presented.




On Mar 17, 2009, at 6:02 PM, harveybenton at yahoo.com wrote:

> RWolberg:
> This is something I have always found fascinating. It seems like a
> chutzpa to tell HaShem to take away your cheilek in O.H. If that's
> valid, then you might as well ask HaShem
> to take away your cheilek in Gehinnom. The mere fact of asking HaShem
> to take away your cheilek in O.H. implies that you unequivocally
> deserve the cheilek to begin with.
>
> 2. For an egregious sinner to ask Hashem to give up his Cheilek in  
> Olam Habah would indeed in my opinion be Chutzpa.
>
> Kol Tuv
>

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