[Avodah] Can we force Hashem to do something?

[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

Rebbetzin toby: 
> In contrast, we read Sefer Iyov as a dialogue between Hashem and one of
> His minions, in which the Kategor says that Iyov isn't really that big
> a tzaddik because he's never been tested, and Hashem instructs the Satan
> to test Iyov -- giving him precise instructions on how far he can go...

According to prof Irving Agus HKBH made an ongoing BD lema'aleh to
detemine one central issue: Viz. Is creation/Adam worthwhile or is it
all too flawed and HKBH should roll back to tohu vavohu.

Iyyov is a big mashal of this larger issue

My friend R Joel Stern gave this word:
Q: Why did the malach sent to destroy Sodom come to visit Avraham Avinu?

A: Hashem wanted to show the malach chavala that not all man was evil
as Sodom and he should check out AA first before making any negative
judgment.

I think this dovetails with this concept. And evert RH we get re-assessed.

Undoubtedly Micha recalls. Q from star trek TNG whose opening salvo was
the same thing -- are humans kedai to keep around?

As such. R Toby and I agree that Satan is in the role of kateigor. But
he is after all a part of the system, not a rebel.

OTOH the peirush on Tanna Devei Eliyahu does accept fallen angels ONLY
when they take on flesh. This seems to be the story of bnei elokim and
bnos adam. So malachim in spirit have no yetzer horo but when acquring
flesh can and do acquire a YH too.

We see that Moshe Rabbeinu was able to get along with mal'ach hamaves
so his role is obviously part of this system.

W/o torah, hessed and teshuva, etc. the whole world would really fall so
short that it would fall back into the abyss.

So Rambam in Hilchos Teshuva teaches us that each individual is a
machria. And so it is. Iyyov is a lesson all about this model in great
detail.

KT
RRW
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