[Avodah] erusin/m'ureset (from areivim)

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:04:21PM +0200, Saul Mashbaum wrote:
: Let's say that a chatan said to the kallah, under the chuppa, "harei at
: *meureset*
: li b'tabbat zu....". This is a valid lashon of kiddushin, as is explicit in
: Even HaEzer 27;1. In chu"l, I see no reason to doubt that the woman is
: m'kudeshet.
: In Israel, since meureset means different things in different contexts, as
: above, it's not so clear to me...

RARakeffetR gives a general statement that since these things go belashon
benei adam, and in Israeli Hebrew today "eirusin" means engagement, not
qiddushin, an engagement ring given while saying something about eirusin
wouldn't require a get. At least, they don't introduce more questions
than engagement rings in general -- RARR recommends not giving the ring
bifnei eidim.

However, RSM's case is a little more difficult, and I'm not sure RARR's
kelal would apply. Because here the chasan is imitating the famous
matbei'ah for qiddushin. Therefore, can we really assume he's speaking
belashon benei adam when the rest of the sentence wasn't crafter that way?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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