[Avodah] Geneivat Da'at/Onaat Devarim for a Ben Noa'h

[Micha Berger]

On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:19:03PM +0100, Arie Folger wrote:
: Finally, since the networks aren't Jewish, does any of this apply to
: non Jews? The prohibition of Sheqer seems disconnected from any of the
: 7 mitzvot BN, so that seems inapplicable.

The fact that sheqer is called geneivas daas would to me mean we have to
prove whether or not it is included within the 7MbN.

Turning to CM 228:6, we find that "asur leramos .. o lignov da'atan ...
af im hu oveid kokhavim" in business. "Ve'af lignov da'as haberi'os
bidvarim" such that it looks like he's doing him a favor and isn't. The
SA's example is making an appointment to dine together with no plans on
ever doing so.

(Does anyone know if we can assume "aku"m" in the SA really means ovedei
AZ, or if perhaps it's a censor's word choice?)

So, geneivas da'as by a Yehudi of a nachri is assur.

That's not whether it's assur for them to commit, but it makes RAF's
perception that they disconnected less compelling.

: Onaah mentions ish et a'hiv and 'amito, which both seem to be
: regarding fellow Jews. But is it? The exception to the prohibition of
: onaat devarim regarding a rasha is explained ... as being a particular
: aspect of tokhe'ha, and hence, when the mitzvah of tokhe'ha cannot
: be fulfilled...                                       then the issur
: of onaat devarim returns in full force. Is that obligation two sidede,
: or are only Jews prevented from onaat devarim, while benei Noa'h are
: free to do as they please?

: How about motzi shem ra'?

MSR is geneivas da'as, and /we/ aren't allowed.

Actually LH is also limited by the pasuq to "achikha", and there is
no falsehood involved. I would think that saying LH about a nachri is
permitted. (It's not even DDD, as "slander" in ever country I heard of
is also limited to sheqer.) The only problem I can see is that one may
be developing a habit that will spill over into assur cases.

None of which addresses the original issue of slander by a nachri about
a nachri.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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