[Avodah] 10th of Teves on Shabbos

[rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com]

"The Avudraham does indeed state that even if it would fall on Shabbos we would fast becasue of B'etzem Hayom Hazeh. The Ohr Sameach to Hilchos Taaniyos 5 has a fascinating source for this from Eruvin 40b, where the Gemara has a Safek about a Bar Bei Rav who is fasting on Friday, whether he should complete it. The question is why the Gemara had no such Safek regaÞrding a Taans Tzibbur, and the OS answers that during the time of the Amoraim Kidush Hachodesh was Al Pi Cheshbon, and the only Taanis Tzibur that can fall out on Friday is Asarah B'teves. Since one would fast Asarah B'teves even on Shabbos, there was no question that one would be Mashlim it from Friday into Shabbos"
- Doron

As quoted the logic above is flawed.  The assumption is that since they knew one would fast on Shabbos hypthetically....

But maybe all they knew was that the 10th was definitely the one fast that was to be completed when started on Friday.  One may assume that w/o the abudarham's extrapolation - which I posit is the result of a confusion/conflatuon or a just a mis-understanding..

It's a brilliant idea, but it still all boils down to this:
Somewhere in history the fact that the fast is continued on Friday night intil "nacht". Has led to the fanciful speculation that it would somehow be fasted at alos on shabbos and not deferred until Sunday.

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