[Avodah] shatz saying things out loud

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 04:50:43PM +0000, rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com wrote:
: Yes but I bear witness to the posthumous beatification of RYBS and
: even his PRIVATE minhaggim.

: When I ws @ YU we did NOT daven the Rav's minhaggim EXCEPT in his
: own presence.

Administrative point:
I don't mean this WRT RRW, who defined "the Rav" before using the title.
I recall one such discussion where an Israeli member told me (off-list)
that it took him two or three emails before realizing we weren't
discussing "haRav" -- RSZA! But please, people, remember that not
everyone hear speaks YU, and a long discussion of "the Rav" this and
"the Rav" that isn't going to make them feel at home. This list would
become far less interesting if only YU sympathizers felt comfortable
posting here.

I rejected a couple of posts with a request for a rewrite of "the Rav" to
"RYBS" or the like, but it felt cruel/too nitpicky to me, so I stopped
doing that. Instead, I'm making this public request for people to edit
themselves.

Now, on to the discussion....



My own experience doesn't match RRW's. Not just my father, R' Dr David
Berger, and others in our shteibl who did stand all of chazaras hasha"tz
for YK Mussaf (even before RDDB was our ba'al mussaf <g>), not to mention
the rest of the year.

RARakeffetR tells a similar story WRT sitting for havdalah. RYBS once
told his talmidim (back when that meant people like RALichtenstein,
RARR and RHSchachter) that his father, R' Moshe, held that one should
sit for havdalah. The se'udos of Shabbos are one long entity, and thus
just as you sit for qiddush, you should be sitting for havdalah.

A while later the talmidim convinced RYBS to stay on campus for Shabbos
(rather than return to Boston). He expressed surprise that the mavdil took
a seat. "Where did you learn such a thing?" And after the explanation,
his response was something along the lines of "That's what /I/ do,
how was I to know that's what you would do?"

It would therefore seem that RYBS himself would agree with RRW in theory,
but in practice the talmidim did accept his "inyanim" as though they
were halakhah pesuqah.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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