[Avodah] hatov vhameitiv/dayan haemet

[Micha Berger]

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 08:26:52AM -0500, Rich, Joel wrote:
: Gemara brachot 59b gives the example of a son whose father was niftar
: says batchila dayan haemet ubasof hatov (due to inheritance).  Has
: anyone seen anything on the ordering of these brachot - e.g. is the
: chiyuv for dayan haemet somehow chal first? What if one reversed the
: order?...

It is chal first, since the yerushah is caused by the misah. I'm
not sure that's the reason, but causes are chal before effects,
Except in the case of hasaras hamonei'ah, where gito veyado ba'im
ke'achas. At least that's the position of R' Amiel, the only
one I know who addresses it. See R' Ralph Frankel's summary at
<http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol06/v06n121.shtml#07>.

Last Tishrei I threw out the possibility (which I think was pretty well
rebutted) that yelulei yalal referred to ululations of joy. Part of that
suggestion was that shevarim teru'ah, was a more tenable description of
eim Sisera's response than teru'ah shevarim because sadness followed by
joy is more in line with normal human response to a single event. That
the joy can't be expressed until one dealt with the pain for straight
psychological reasons.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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