[Avodah] Q re tonight's RYReisman shiur on the chamah

[Zev Sero]

Micha Berger wrote:

> As for it being at sunrise, that would be shitas R' Eliezer, that things
> were created in their initial state. Thus the first sunrise in a year
> where the tequfah began at the beginning of the night is a repeat of
> maaseh bereishis. R' Yehoshua holds the sun was created at noon. (BTW,
> R' Eliezer Ehrenpreis suggests this underlies the machloqes about the
> halachic date line.)

The only shita I know of that relates the dateline to the creation is
Shu"T Benei Tzion by R David(?) Shapiro (vol 1, Jerusalem 1930), which
is a very rare sefer.   But he doesn't quote anything about sunrise;
he quotes a medrash that the me'orot were installed into the sky at 9am,
and another one that the sun was directly over Gan Eden, from which he
deduces that Gan Eden is 45deg east of EY (and presumably on the equator).
He then puts one edge of the dateline 90deg east of that, which is where
it was shkia at that moment, and the other edge a varying number of
degrees east of THAT, where it was tz"hk.  (He's the only shita I know
of that has a dateline with substantial thickness, and says that inside
the dateline it's officially safek, like bein hashmashot.)


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