[Avodah] Ta'aroves of yayn mevushal

[Zev Sero]

kennethgmiller at juno.com wrote:

> It seems that RZS is saying that "we don't care" what the AZ-niks
> actually do. My suspicion is that we *do* care, as logically we must,
> because if they'd be willing to do nisuch with yayin mevushal, then
> I can't imagine why we wouldn't worry about it.

Because we don't call what they do "nisuch".  It's not that we don't
care what they do, but that we don't care what they call what they do.
Think about the Indian hair issue a few years ago; a major point in
the discussion was whether what they do with the hair counts
*halachically* as "tikrovet".  If it doesn't, then it doesn't matter
what they call it, or how they regard it, it's still muttar.


> we don't need to study their religious laws, and the reason why -- and
> I must stress that this is only my own conjecture -- is that both we and
> they happen to have the same rules.
> The concept of korbanos is ancient. It is from before Har Sinai, before
> Avraham Avinu, even before Noach, going back to Adam Harishon. It is not
> a particularly Jewish idea, but not a goyish idea either, but a human one.
> Of course, the Torah expounds on it, and gives many details. But if some
> of those details (like what kind of wine may or may not be used) happens
> to match what the AZ-niks do, I wouldn't be surprised.

Which AZ-niks?  *All* of them, throughout the world, and throughout
history?  This sounds like the yid who tries to enter an exclusive club
by claiming to belong to "the goyish religion".  Even the AZ cults with
which Chazal were familiar were widely different from each other, each
with its own peculiarities (such as Pe'or and Markulis).  It's unlikely
that all religions that use wine would have the same rules.  Certainly
the most common AZ nowadays that uses wine has *very* different rules
for its use, which are nothing like the ones with which Chazal were
familiar.


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