[Avodah] Dying al Kiddush Hashem

[Micha Berger]

Well, I think RARR wrapped up his discussion of the question in his
shiur on Dec 14
<http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/730002/Rabbi_Aaron_Rakeffet-Rothkoff/2008-12-14_The_Chatam_Sofer_solves_our_problem>
or <http://kitzur.com/kitzur.com/crz2>.

In it, he brings a teshuvah of the Chasam Sofer in which the CS calls
someone killed on the road a "qadosh". Similar to the case of the
yeshiva boy R' Shach called a qadosh.

But the maqor RYBS found for him wasn't so much grounds for calling a
person killed for being Jewish without being given a choice an "eved
Hashem". Which RARR argued justified calling them qadosh. (Eved Hashem,
we noted on list, is a rare and previous compliment. See RJJB's summary
of RMBroyde's article in Hakirah III
<http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol23/v23n114.shtml#09>.) See the bottom
of Sanhedrin 47a, turning onto amud b.

Tehillim 79:2 reads
    Nasenu es nivlas avodekha
    ma'akhal le'of-hashamayim
    besar chasidekha
    lachayso-aretz.

The gemara says that "chasidekha" are those who lived as chassidim,
but "avodekha" are those who acheived atonement by being killed against
halakhah.


This whole discussion we had back in early Dec, as well as while listening
to RARR's shiurim, I was waiting for someone to further develop a chiluq
one person mentioned in passing (a month later, I'm having a hjard time
finding who). Since I think I reached the point where RARR is changing
topic, I'll post it now.

The whole discussion was about who is called "qadosh", and the sources
were all about the dinim of dying al qiddush Hashem. Those are different
things. Here is my suggestion for why someone would be a qadosh even if
not for dying al qiddush Hashem.

Dying al qiddush H' means the person is serving as a gavra, a nosei,
who chooses leqadeish sheim Shamayim. However, a devar mitzvah and
a davar shebiqdushah are also qadosh, not as gavra but as cheftza,
the object by which the qedushah is made manifest. A person who isn't
given a choice isn't a nosei, but is he any less than another nisa?
I would argue that even without dying al qiddush Hashem, he

Would someone who was killed for being a Jew have any less grounds for
being qadosh than my tefillin?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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