[Avodah] Kaddesh after Kiddush Levana

Michael Poppers MPoppers at kayescholer.com
Thu Jan 1 09:36:02 PST 2009



In Avodah Digest V25#433, REMT wrote:
> As I understand it, kaddish is a chovas hatzibbur -- when a minyan has
completed something _as a minyan_, be it p'sukei d'zimra, chazaras
hasha"tz, learning, etc., a kaddish is said. If it was not done b'tzibbur,
there is no subsequent kaddish obligation. Thus, if a person was studying
g'mara alone, there is no justification for then gathering a minyan for him
to say kaddish, and the same should be true for kiddush levana, unless at
least a rov minyan said Aleinu.  In the case of Borchu, on the other hand,
the entire minyan is participating.
> This is not to say that it is proper to gather a minyan to say Borchu,
other than at the times the din provides for: at k'rias haTorah, before
birchos k'rias Sh'ma, and at the conclusion of a t'filla which contains
birchos k'rias Sh'ma, for the benefit of latecomers who missed it.  I don't
know whether it is permitted for ten people to get together and say Borchu
at any other occasion. <
Couldn't one be m'chaleiq between a davar shebiqdusha (e.g. "Bar'chu,"
which *requires* a minyan) and Bircas HaL'vanah (which doesn't require a
minyan) and suggest that there really is no chovas hatzibbur even when a
minyan (in the spirit of "b'rov-am hadras-Melech") has said the latter?
FWIW, KAJ never said either "Aleinu" or Qaddish after Bircas HaL'vanah, nor
is either recorded in Baer's Siddur Avodas Yisrael for seider Bircas
HaL'vanah.

On the subject of Bircas HaL'vanah activities: many look at me strangely
when I say "Shalom Aleichem" to them not just once but a 2nd and 3rd time,
as they're used to the practice of saying it once to three different
people, but RMA 426:2 says, "...v'yomar lachaveiro gimel p'amim, 'Shalom
alecha...,'" and such is my practice :).

A guten Shabbes and all the best from
--Michael Poppers via RIM pager
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