[Avodah] the cohen gadol and marriage to a pubescent girl

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 02:37:45PM +0300, Marty Bluke wrote:
: The Rambam clearly states in Hilchos Ishus 2:1-3 that it is a
: combination of simanim and shanim together that make a girl legally an
: adult, with the simanim being the main one. One without the other does
: not work.

Similarly, on Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 08:54:59AM -0400, Zev Sero replied to
my post:
:>There are two questions, shenei sa'aros and age. Bar/t mitzvah ages are
:>definitely deRabbanan, enacted based on rov, presumably so as to avoid
:>embarassing and un-tzeniusdik checking.

: Not so, because hair alone does *not* work; the requirement mid'oraita
: is hair *and* age.  The reliance on age *without* checking for hair is
: mid'rabanan.

My understanding is that the shiur deOraisa is 2 sa'aros. Waiting until
normal ages for puberty is to insure the reality of the sa'aros, and
not some form of wart or a mole (Niddah 46a).

So it would seem to me:
The shiur deOraisa is 2 sa'aros. The shiur deRabbanan for dinim deOraisa
when lechumrah, is to also require age -- which is 12 for a boy and
11 for aq girl. The shiur for dinim deRabbanan is just one year later
without checking for hair, allowing the assumption that the sa'aros
would have grown in that year even if they might have fallen out unseen.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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