[Avodah] Your brother's a Mumar; here's the solution!

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 01:06:56PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
: >The AhS proposed this idea for avoiding her becoming a yevamah, and RMYG
: >asked why the same tenai couldn't be used to avoid agunos. I think what
: >RZS is now saying boils down to ein adam oseh be'ilaso be'ilas zenus,
: >and not even bitenai.

: No.  Ein adam oseh... is about people's yosher.  A person doesn't

... knowingly ...

: leave a chaticha dehetera to take an identical chaticha de'isura.

OTOH, there is a "forbidden fruit" effect which would mean that the two
possibilities aren't necessarily identical. The chaticha de'issura may
give someone more hana'ah because it's assur.

I could also see the sevara that it's based on "vedavaq be'ishto, vehayu
lebasar echad". The emotional state beshe'as ma'aseh is one where people
(who have a chezqas kashrus, as opposed to perutzim) dream of being
together foreever.

: That's why RMF says it doesn't apply to secular people today, since
: it's quite obvious that they think nothing of be'ilat zenut.

Which would be true of either sevra. As I told each of my boys when we had
"the talk", the big price to pay for peritzus is that the deveq nature
of tashmish will fade. (Much like trying to reuse sticky tape that was
used and pulled off, used and pulled off...)


I'm not addressing the rest of your post because by-and-large you
disagreed what you heard and/or I misstated to state something in
agreement with what I was trying to say.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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