[Avodah] Tearing toilet paper on Shabbos

[Chana Luntz]

RMK writes:

> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Doron Beckerman <beck072 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I think it is if one is going to have to wipe his Ni'a on his sleeve
> (which is problematic on Shabbos anyhow).
> >
> 
> Huh? What's the problem?

I would have asked the opposite question - why is it mutar not on shabbas -
at least for a talmid chacham - after all Shabbas 114a states kol talmid
chacham shenimtza rachav al begado chayav misa?  Why would nia be more
acceptable than rachav - especially as the test seems to be what would cause
people to despite the Torah and the teachers of the Torah.  I think most
people's response to people wiping their nose on their sleeve versus a mere
bit of dirt or grease on their clothing, I would be of greater revulsion -
so I ought to be a kal v'chomer.

And RZS writes:

>Speaking as someone who has great tzaar when unable to blow my nose,
>I just can't see the case for a kevod haberiyos exception here.
>Snot and tzoah are just not comparable in this respect.

Well ROY seems to treat it as a reasonably dvar pashut that having to go out
with "tit" on one's clothing is a matter of kavod habrios (see Yabia Omer
chelek chet Orech Chaim siman 39, si'if 5) and hence even if there is a
rabbinic issur to take it off such clothing on shabbas (which is the main
subject of the discussion with some discussion about whether it makes a
difference whether it is lach or yavesh) then it should be permitted for
kovod habrios reasons.

Again, I can't see tit as being worse than nia?


Regards

Chana