[Avodah] omer - Rihal

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> ng their one lunar-dated holiday to
> a day of the week as well.)
>
> This also explains why it took Hillel to pasqen what to do on Shabbos
> erev Pesach. For many years, the Saducees prevented a qiddush hachodesh
> that would allow erev Pesach on any day but Friday.
>
>
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
>
> --
> Micha Berger
>

See Teshuvos Harosh

The Gmara knows that rebbe fasted Erev Pesach but does not know the reason
The two hypotheses are:

   1. he was an istenis and needed to fast to gain an appetite
   2. he  was a bechor

Fregt the kasha - nu what about Shabbos Ereve Pesach?
If istinis he STILL might have fasted?  If it was because of Bechor then for
sure not.

IIRC [it's been a few years] Rosh says:
Shabos Ereve Pesach is NOT frequent ienough to establish a minhag that be
noticed.

This answers at least 3 interlocking points

   1. HIllel's dilemma
   2. Why Rebbe's Talmiddim did not know WHY Rebbe Fasted
   3. Why the time limit of Matza Ashira on [Shabbos or any] Erev Pesach is
   unclear.

Tonight after Arbis I was talking with an author of a new siddur. I pointed
out the Beis Yosef [and FWIW Elbogen] both point out that ato honen and ato
honantanu are redundant and there is no reason to say both lines on motza'ei
Shabbos.  [the key redundancy is the verbs]

The Author was aware that indeed there was such a confusion.  I countered
that th reason this was never ironed out is that it is NEVER said out loud
ONLY in the silent Amidah, and therefore there is no "proper" minhag as such
because there is really no bona fide mimetic in place. You cannot say I
heard my rebbe or the Shatz at Kehillas Infallible said it this way!

Similarly Shabbos Erev Pesach seems to slip through the cracks on several
points. I cannot say for sure that the kevi'as hahodesh was influenced by
Sadducees or not, but it would sure point AWAY from a Beis Din Hagaodl that
was  "ikkar TSBP" [Rambam Mamrim 1:1]  IOW to say that kevi'us Hachodesh was
out of  the hands of the  p'rushim in the era of the zuggos [as opposed to
the era of Yochan Kohein Gadol].

Bottom line:
AISI the fact that Bnei Beseira forgot is no more unusual than the Talmiddim
of Rebbe forgetting about the reason of his fasting.

-- 
Kol Tuv / Best Regards,
RabbiRichWolpoe at Gmail.com
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