[Avodah] Dancing on Shabbos - Redux

[Richard Wolpoe]

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Richard Wolpoe <rabbirichwolpoe at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Michael Makovi <mikewinddale at gmail.com>
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>> My understanding is that the concern is you'll build a new musical
>> instrument from scratch l'gamre, on the spot, as people apparently
>> were capable of back in the day.
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>> Mikha'el Makovi
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Contrast the concern for musical tapping with Tosafos on Mayyim Acharonim.
There the logic makes sense if the ONLY dynamic is melach s'domis - then
there simply is NO MORE CONCERN.  Here Tosafos does stand on firm ground

NB: OTOH mayyim ahcaronim MIGHT be also done because of  "v'hiskadishtem
vihyissem kedoshim... " which might mean there are multiple dynamics on
certain gz'eros and Takkanos.    E.g. See Gra on mayyim acharonim and AhS on
Haleiv Akkum re: Multiple dynamics.

FWIW I am not 100% makpid on mayyim acharonim, but I try to rinse my hands
somehow before bircas hamazon when I can. at one family in Wash. Heights who
did not wash I would excuse myself and  use the  "washroom" right before
benching.

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Re: dancing The main point is not that Tosafos offers this Kula. It's that
for the most part the poskim rejected the kula and people rely upon it.

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Re: Minhagim in general, I guess it is hard to explain how yekkes would see
"Minhag Ashkneaz" in a light different than stam "minhaggim"  I have labored
at making the distinctions clear and I fear many peopel lack the exposure to
Yekke communities an therefore cannot see how Minhag Ahskenaz in general can
be treasured while certain other minhaggim would still be seen as
circumventing Halachah.   The best I can say is to look at Rema who does a
very good job in distinguishing between the former and the latter [even
though he is already SOMEWHAT Minhag Poland].  Personally, it's the Rema's
ability to reject certain Minhaggim that leads me to respect his defenses of
Minhag even more. IOW he is in no way "knee jerk" reacting; rather he
considers them virtually [if not literally] on a case by case basis.

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FWIW, the Zrizal makes a distinction between piyyutim of "rishonim" meaning
Kallier etc. and later Piyyutim. He feels that the former understood
"soddos" and the latter did not.

I kinda make a similar distinction in the realm of minhaggim.   AISI Some
have stood the test of time and others are less solid.





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